This is Part 2 in a 12 Part series. The premise is this: "Two men in their in their late 20鈥檚 walk into a coffee shop around 7:00 a.m. In college they had been good friends, but over the past few years had gotten out of touch. Having lived in the same dormitory for three of their four years at City Christian College, they still had many fond鈥攁nd a few not-so-fond memories鈥攐f their time together in college. Just by accident (or so Michael thought) they had run into each other in a hardware store and had set up a time to talk over breakfast. This is their second breakfast together.

If you want to read this series of conversations from the beginning (you don't have to start at the beginning), please see Part 1.

Waitress: Good morning!

Michael: mm hmm 鈥

Waitress: Would you like the same thing you had last week?

Michael: mm hmm 鈥

Jim: I鈥檒l take ham and eggs.

Waitress: Comin鈥 right up!

Michael: mm hmm 鈥

Jim: You look kinda鈥 tired.

Michael: I guess you could say that. It is 7:00 a.m., you know.

Jim: But you seemed pretty awake last time we met for breakfast.

Michael: I鈥檝e been having trouble sleeping the last few days. I鈥檒l snap out of it in a couple of minutes.

Jim: Something on your mind?

Michael: Is there ever a time when there isn鈥檛 something on my mind?

Jim: How long has this insomnia been going on?

Michael: Since Friday, doctor.

Jim: Does it have anything to do with your visit to the Northside?

Michael: Definitely. Only that鈥檚 not what鈥檚 been keeping me awake at night.

Jim: Did you enjoy the visit?

Michael: Enjoy isn鈥檛 the word for it. 鈥淪truggle through,鈥 鈥渨restle with,鈥 鈥渇ight with myself鈥濃攖hose might be better descriptions.

Jim: I thought you鈥檇 enjoy seeing what the Lord was doing over there.

Michael: I did. I mean, I didn鈥檛. What I mean is鈥攖he visit was good, but it made my own inadequacies stand out even more.

Jim: What do you mean?

Michael: It鈥檚 just this 鈥 you鈥檙e doing what I always dreamed of doing. Not that I鈥檝e ever had any particular calling to people struggling to get off the street. It鈥檚 just that you seem so content in your walk with God. You know where you鈥檙e going in your life. You have a sense of destiny and purpose.

Jim: It doesn鈥檛 always seem that way to me.

Michael: Well, that鈥檚 how it looks to me.

Jim: I have plenty of hard days.

Michael: Maybe you don鈥檛 understand what I鈥檓 saying. Of course you have lots of hard days. But鈥ou make it look so easy. What I mean is that you look happy, even though you鈥檙e living in a situation that I don鈥檛 think I could stand.

Jim: Is the Christian life easy or hard?

Michael: That鈥檚 what I want to know.

Jim: What鈥檚 the answer?

Michael: I鈥檓 not sure. What do you think? Is it easy or hard to be a Christian?

Jim: Yes.

Michael: Yes, what?

Jim: Yes. The answer鈥檚 yes.

Michael: I should have figured 鈥

Jim: Recently, I鈥檝e been thinking some about this question.

Michael: Good. Then maybe you鈥檒l say something that can help me. My problem relates to the different ways that the Christian life has been described to me. One person talks about the cost of discipleship with its accompanying suffering, personal discipline and sacrifice. That sounds hard to me.

Jim: And the next person describes his life as a Christian in terms of joy, peace, contentment and fulfillment.

Michael: Right.

Jim: Which is it?

Michael: You鈥檙e the expert. You tell me.

Jim: It鈥檚 not like I have a standard answer for everything.

Michael: I probably wouldn鈥檛 listen to a standard answer anyway. Where shall we start?

Jim: We can start by looking at the items we have just mentioned and see if those are actually spoken of in the Bible.

Michael: That sounds good.

Jim: Does God promise us suffering as Christians?

Michael: Yes. There鈥檚 a verse somewhere鈥攖hough I can鈥檛 remember the reference鈥攖hat says that everyone who wants to be godly in Christ Jesus will experience persecution of some kind.[1]

Jim: What about personal discipline?

Michael: What about the passage that gives the example of exercise and boxing to bring my body into submission?[2]

Jim: There are many places that the Bible speaks about suffering and self-discipline as aspects of the Christian life.

Michael: What about sacrifice?

Jim: I think even a cursory reading of the Gospels and Acts shows that sacrifice is involved in being a disciple of Christ.

Michael: Does anyone today actually live those early disciples did?

Jim: Precious few.

Michael: But all this talk about discipleship and sacrifice sounds very negative. What about the joy, peace and happiness part?

Jim: Let鈥檚 ask the same question about those items. Does the Bible speak about such qualities for the Christian?

Michael: Well 鈥 there鈥檚 the passage about the fruit of the Spirit.[3]

Jim: Right鈥攁mong others like it.[4] But, is peace, joy, and contentment easy?

Michael: That鈥檚 how it seems.

Jim: Is it possible to be at peace even when your outside circumstances are terribly uncomfortable?

Michael: I don鈥檛 know. What do you think?

Jim: It鈥檚 interesting that some of our fondest memories come out of circumstances that many would call difficult. Some of our most significant memories of deep inner peace come out of times when we would have expected the opposite.

Michael: Is this perhaps why we remember them?

Jim: Perhaps. I had such an episode in my childhood. My family went to a cabin in the mountains for Christmas week. For a city boy like me, this was a big event! We got snowed-in for days on end, without electricity, without heat, and had only basics like rice to eat. I don鈥檛 think we were in any serious danger, but it was rather uncomfortable sitting around trying to wrap up in enough blankets to keep warm. The memory of those days trapped in an unheated cabin by five feet of snow has become one of the most precious memories for all the members of our family. It brought our family together and is a very special memory for all of us.

Michael: But isn鈥檛 there any way that I can have the joy and peace of the Christian life without the necessity of suffering, pain and personal discipline?

Jim: You want to have your cake and eat it too?

Michael: That鈥檚 not what I mean.

Jim: What do you mean?

Michael: What about all those people who talk about the peace and joy they experience as Christians? Their lives don鈥檛 seem to be all that difficult. Perhaps I should aim at that type of life.

Jim: If you aim at happiness, you鈥檒l guarantee for yourself a life of continual aiming, but never gaining. If you aim at it, that will be the one sure way never to get it.

Michael: What do you mean by that?

Jim: You said you had trouble sleeping last night.

Michael: That鈥檚 right.

Jim: How long did it take you to get to sleep?

Michael: Two or three hours.

Jim: Were you frustrated?

Michael: I sure was.

Jim: Did you do anything to try to help you get to sleep?

Michael: You mean like counting sheep?

Jim: Yeah.

Michael: I did try to think about other things and not focus on the fact that I couldn鈥檛 get to sleep.

Jim: Did it work?

Michael: Not last night.

Jim: Why not?

Michael: Because I kept remembering that I was having trouble getting to sleep. The more I thought about it, the more frustrated I got that I couldn鈥檛 get to sleep鈥攁nd then it seemed even harder to actually fall asleep. Jim, what does this have to do with our discussion?

Jim: Joy is the same.

Michael: What?

Jim: If you focus on trying to obtain joy for the sake of joy it will elude you. Paradoxical as it may seem, you can鈥檛 get joy or deep peace by focusing on obtaining them. The attitudes of joy and peace are side benefits of Christian living; they're not at the center. Obtaining joy through focusing on obtaining joy will be no more successful than telling the interviewer that you want the job because their company has a good health insurance plan. Focusing on the insurance won鈥檛 get you the job鈥攆ocusing on getting to sleep only brings insomnia鈥攁nd focusing on obtaining joy won鈥檛 bring you joy.

Michael: So, I shouldn鈥檛 want to be happy?

Jim: That鈥檚 not what I鈥檓 trying to say. The desire to receive and experience godly joy and contentment certainly honors God since both are gifts from him. It鈥檚 just necessary to recognize that pursuing happiness as an end in itself neither honors God nor will be successful.

Michael: So if I shouldn鈥檛 focus on obtaining joy, what should I focus on?

Jim: Real joy and deep peace come only though focusing on Jesus Christ and his lordship over our lives.

Michael: What do you mean by 鈥渓ordship鈥?

Jim: I mean that he is the one who makes the decisions and has the final word in our lives. We live with the singular purpose of bringing him glory through every breath we breathe, every word we say, and every thought we think. We don鈥檛 aim for our own personal happiness.

Michael: Well 鈥 I want to glorify God.

Jim: Do you?

Michael: Of course.

Jim: That means that you not only are affirming this with your mouth, but that you are daily choosing to give yourself over to obey him. You have decided that however difficult any particular instance may be, you are surrendered to living wholly and completely for him鈥攁nd for no one and nothing else.

Michael: I see where you鈥檙e going. You鈥檙e saying that if we truly want to glorify God in our lives, it鈥檚 going to cost a lot personally.

Jim: That鈥檚 right. The world we live in includes pain, suffering, and sacrifice, and the road of faith includes all of these. Our goal is not to eliminate these from our lives; it鈥檚 to glorify God鈥擯ERIOD!

Michael: And you seem to be saying that joy and peace are side-benefits of seeking to glorify God. The one who seeks to glorify God in his life will find that there is joy in his life. Is that what you鈥檙e saying?

Jim: Yep.

Michael: Why haven鈥檛 I heard this before?

Jim: You probably have.

Michael: OK, I probably have. But I don鈥檛 hear it often.

Jim: This may be because the pursuit of happiness has taken center stage as the main purpose of being a Christian in most contemporary churches. It has taken center stage in many churches I鈥檝e been associated with鈥攁nd I鈥檝e been associated with quite a few.

Michael: Maybe we need a few prophets to tell the church how much they鈥檝e deviated.

Jim: (pause) Don鈥檛 look at me. You鈥檙e the one who suggested it.

Michael: Definitely don鈥檛 look at me!

Jim: In some ways, I find myself, rather than feeling righteous anger over the entire problem, feeling sorry for all these people鈥攖he saddest creatures of all鈥攕eeking joy for the sake of joy, without any hope of obtaining it.

Michael: Jim, you said that the person who focuses on living only for God鈥檚 glory will eventually find that he is at peace with himself and experiencing internal joy. Do you mean that they always have this joy?

Jim: Yes and no. I vaguely remember you telling me that when you were in high school you used to run on the cross-country team. Is that right?

Michael: That鈥檚 right.

Jim: Was it easy or hard?

Michael: It was hard. Every day after school we had to run between four and ten miles. At the same time, I loved it! There was something about being out on those trails and listening only to the puffing of my breath that was exhilarating.

Jim: What about the meets? Did you like running in competition?

Michael: In one way I loved them, in another I hated them.

Jim: Why?

Michael: The pressure was intense鈥攔unning to win while others were watching. Sometimes, when I was in a race, I鈥檇 鈥渉it the wall鈥 and feel certain that I couldn鈥檛 run another step. Of course, I kept pushing on, knowing that I鈥檇 get over it. Other times, I experienced just the opposite; it felt like I was flying. Occasionally, I experienced the runner鈥檚 rush鈥攁 sense of elation and release that is difficult to describe.

Jim: Is it easy or hard to be a cross-country runner?

Michael: Yes.

Jim: Yes, what?

Michael: Yes. The answer鈥檚 yes. And it鈥檚 both easy and very difficult to be a follower of Jesus. Isn鈥檛 that what you were trying to say?

Jim: You got it. The Christian life requires sacrifice and personal discipline. But it is also a life of joy.

Michael: The joy you鈥檙e talking about is different than just a light happiness, isn鈥檛 it?

Jim: Yep.

Michael: And you鈥檙e saying that only those who show in their life and actions that they are committed to Christ as Lord will possess this joy.

Jim: Yep.

Michael: That鈥檚 interesting.

Jim: Yep (smile).

Michael: But I thought the key to the Christian life was to 鈥渓et go and let God鈥 do it through you. How does your theme of sacrifice work into that?

Jim: That鈥檚 a different question for a different time. Maybe we should talk about that next week.

Michael: Fine. Same time, same place?

Jim: You鈥檙e on.

Click here to read Questions Over Breakfast #3: Let Go and Let God? Or Trust God and Try Hard?


[1] 2 Tim 3:12.

[2] 1 Cor 9:24-27.

[3] Gal 5:22-23.

[4] Cf. Psa 119:165; Phil 4:7; John 15:11; Rom 14:17.